Hiborea Map Claims

Map Updated.

Changed Colbertico to Kolbertiko (sorry about that EEE, I meant to do that a long time ago); Changed Edo Edi Essum territory names to simply Edo Edi Essum instead of including formal national title; Added Sancta Ank, Salvador and Finix (I was unclear if you were claiming Plot 41 or just establishing an isolated colony, so I just put the city with (Edo Edi Essum) under it)

Added Hartford, Richton, Eastbrooke, Clayton, Portwich, Norford

Removed Hijjma as per his request

Added plot 15 to Oscalantine's territory; added Silios, Rhombiom Corporation

Upon further consideration, I have decided not to honour King Isaac's claim to plot 10, but only on the grounds that I felt it was not thoroughly roleplayed enough, and that I think he should take into consideration the distance of Plot 10 from King Isaac and the financial strain that would come with supporting such a colony. Might I suggest annexing the newly freed up Plot 5, Plot 43 or Plot 42?

Remember, if you are unhappy with the changes, just say so. I'll also be creating a "Cartography" sub-forum in the "Office of the Secretary of Culture" forum.

Rasvidi wrote:

Map Updated.

Changed Colbertico to Kolbertiko (sorry about that EEE, I meant to do that a long time ago); Changed Edo Edi Essum territory names to simply Edo Edi Essum instead of including formal national title; Added Sancta Ank, Salvador and Finix (I was unclear if you were claiming Plot 41 or just establishing an isolated colony, so I just put the city with (Edo Edi Essum) under it)

Added Hartford, Richton, Eastbrooke, Clayton, Portwich, Norford

Removed Hijjma as per his request

Added plot 15 to Oscalantine's territory; added Silios, Rhombiom Corporation

Upon further consideration, I have decided not to honour King Isaac's claim to plot 10, but only on the grounds that I felt it was not thoroughly roleplayed enough, and that I think he should take into consideration the distance of Plot 10 from King Isaac and the financial strain that would come with supporting such a colony. Might I suggest annexing the newly freed up Plot 5, Plot 43 or Plot 42?

Remember, if you are unhappy with the changes, just say so. I'll also be creating a "Cartography" sub-forum in the "Office of the Secretary of Culture" forum.

Wow. Lots o' changes.

Sancta Ak is just the beginning. The full expansion will begin in a few RP months. (AKA RL Christmas, when the oil really starts flowing and the marble mining begins.)

In summary, everything you have done is perfect.

Can you place Plot 2 as "Territory of Gracealona"? Keep the border as the lands haven't been officially incorporated yet, no cities either.

I'm looking to claim a spot on the map, but before I do I just wanted to ask a few questions.

Namely, what are the gray areas in the north of the map?
Why is Plot 28 separate?
Is it possible to request resources for plots that have none (Ie 22, 23, 19 etc)?

That's all for now. Your answers may raise new questions though.

Thanks,

Well I believe that I can answer these questions well enough, if anyone sees anything I left out feel free to chime in.

-I believe the gray areas on the map are ice caps.
-There is no paticular reason why plot 28 is separate, this is just how our beloved map maker Rasvidi decided to make the map.
-We hold a policy that no resources or land forms can be added or removed upon a nations request.

I hope this answers your questions.

I realized that while some areas seem more advantageous than others, you have to understand that there are geographical advantage in all areas. Plus, I just don't see how countries can develop by just selling raw resources anyways...

plot 28 is definitely within the polar ice cap, if that wasn't established already. So... you would have more along the lines of arctic base feel than a country...

If I may, I would suggest areas in the west, along the lower territory. If you want mines, you can always go for upper right, but those are mountainous areas, and you might have difficulty trading. And I really doubt that you need resources to be strong country, unlike how many countries believe. So in other words, I think you will be fine regardless of what areas you take. So don't fret about resources and try your best!!! =)

[[I probably am not very convincing, since I, too, have large resource claim... but good luck?]]

I was just thinking that if I chose a plot without resources that other players might try to exploit that fact.

For example my economy is based on NSeconomy statistics and will not change because of resource ownership on the map (Obviously). However if I went to war, which requires a lot of oil, and for some reason those who control the oil icons on the map unilaterally decided to ban it's sale to me... then I would be in a distinctly disadvantageous position, provided I was polite enough to adhere to that sort of realism (Which I am )

The only problem is that I don't see any sort of counter balance to that. I realize that this point is moot if you guys don't RP like that. If so, great! It doesn't matter then. But you can understand my concern if you do.

There is.... a bit of issue with countries not being realistic, but I think it is getting better and better as we move onto stamping them out.

If you REALLY want oil, there is a land that is vaccant. I don't think anyone wants to claim it, so I think it is a good place... It is plot 4, and it is an island right next to everyone... it used to belong to Hijima, but it is basically free now. You can take it, I think...

Economies are ultimately based on your NS stats anyways, the resources would basically just make you extra money on top of that, such as to help offset a negative trade deficit, for example.

Well as far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to much difference either way. I wasn't after oil though. That was just an example.

I'll claim plot 21 under the name 'The Industrious Federation of Imperial' (ImperialOverlord being an odd name for a nation)

With the following cities:

-Kriegg (Capital), placed along the river
-Vucheresti
-Bracea
-Craivonia
-Teara
-Odasse

Imperial Overlord wrote:

I was just thinking that if I chose a plot without resources that other players might try to exploit that fact.

For example my economy is based on NSeconomy statistics and will not change because of resource ownership on the map (Obviously). However if I went to war, which requires a lot of oil, and for some reason those who control the oil icons on the map unilaterally decided to ban it's sale to me... then I would be in a distinctly disadvantageous position, provided I was polite enough to adhere to that sort of realism (Which I am )

The only problem is that I don't see any sort of counter balance to that. I realize that this point is moot if you guys don't RP like that. If so, great! It doesn't matter then. But you can understand my concern if you do.

I will always sell you oil if you're communist. Otherwise, I might cut off your supply, but I probably won't.
Speaking of which, Ras, legalize religion already. I want to sell to you.

I'm back. Sorry about my absence.

Is Plot 28 completely isolated, or can a road or pipeline be built to it? That's a lot of ice.

Hey ruz! Welcome back!!!

Plot 28 IS completely isolated by ice caps... in such cases in real world, you get them back to your mainland by the truckloads. Roads are not necessary because ice is REALLY thick in the winter, where you can use the opportunity to transport your mined oil back to your country for refining. Also remember that in the arctic region, you have hard time running the mines during the colder times like fall and winter, where most of the operations shut down because of the temperature.

But yes, you just need to transport them by the truckloads. And there are MASSIVE trucks for that occasion.

Yes indeed there are trucks like that. I believe there is a show on the history channel on that very subject. "Ice Road Drivers" or something like that. I was home sick yesterday and watched an episode when there was nothing better on. Not a very good show overall but if you were interested in learning more about how they transport stuff in that sort of climate it might be worth watching an episode. :/

May I have plot 17?

Ruzslava wrote:

May I have plot 17?

If you like, you would have to RP it of course.

I shall contest such an expansion.

I am allowed to do that yes?

Have at it.

Btw, just an fyi, Imperial... Ras has to put you on the map. But at the same time... Ras hasn't been exactly active on the forum lately...

I noticed that. But Everyone knows where I am, so it's not such a huge deal.

Imperial Overlord wrote:

I shall contest such an expansion.

I am allowed to do that yes?

How about a compromise? We could divide plot 17.

I get half the timber, southern arable land, and plot 28.
You get the silk, half the timber, lots-o-land, and anything that's not already claimed.

War is avoided. I get an additional 1.5 plots. (Rasvidi would obviously need to divide plot 17.) Then you can expand at will.

Question!

With Hijjma's departure, Plot 4 is looking highly appealing. I currently have a small amount of colonization in Plot 41: a small city and a marble mine. If I were to do a full-scale colonization of Plot 4 (until Hijjma's possible return), would I need to abandon my two tiny setllements in Plot 41?

Until my question is answered, the 5th Fleet will be closely guarding Plot 4.

Hmmm... I guess that's okay? In fact, I'm sure certain someone would be happy to see that you will be leaving that island alone.

If you want, EEE, I'll RP with you for your plot. You will have legitimacy and everyone would be happy about it. Keep in mind, btw, that for sake of Grace's RP, I was using hijima's lands as a smuggling location. There is a branch company that rose up in the anarchy called LexCo. If you want the plot, you should make a forum where you combat that corporation to liberate Hijima's lands from its people.

But then again... aren't you over-stretching yourself? Think about it before you decide anything. It would be costly war.

Ruzslava wrote:

Imperial Overlord wrote:

I shall contest such an expansion.

I am allowed to do that yes?

How about a compromise? We could divide plot 17.

I get half the timber, southern arable land, and plot 28.
You get the silk, half the timber, lots-o-land, and anything that's not already claimed.

War is avoided. I get an additional 1.5 plots. (Rasvidi would obviously need to divide plot 17.) Then you can expand at will.

I can live with a divided plot 17. However I must insist the division be along the Light-Green Dark-Green divide that is already there. That would be more equal. Half/Half. I understand I get all the resources, but I need them and if you wanted resources you would have moved on plot 18 already.

You want a coastline, that's understandable.

XD

So are we ending this without conflict?

Actually... Imperial, most of the land above is actually not farmable. We are living in rather cold climates... Ruz wants farmland as well as other place. So... I suggest you guys divide more vertically than horizontally, keeping the resources in mind.

Also lol on your ruz. Did you already made up your mind about 28? Keep in mind that Civa is aiming for that as well.