Hiborea Map Claims

Nah, IR, just annex EG's annexed territory.

Could Plot 1 be listed as annexed EEE territory?

Map updated.

I just noticed that we don't have a measurement of distance on the map.

Correct, D. We should probably get one.

Rasvidi, could you change my annex, currently a desert of oil according to official records, into a forested area? I would appreciate that immensely.

Hmm well it's been a desert for a while now, I know I took down the climate map but it has always been an oil-rich field of desert. There was a tropical/savannah area in the north-west corner though with enough arable land to feed any inhabitants, as well as silk production capabilities.

As for distance, I was just thinking about that recently. I will add one when I have access to my computer again, but in the meantime for reference Rasvidi has about the same size as Ontario, which means Terragon is a bit larger then Canada. The entire planet is larger then Earth is, although to have the same gravity as Earth the planet is less dense (perhaps being deficient in certain dense components in it's crust or having a less dense core then Earth's nickle-iron core).

Our planet needs to be identical is size to Earth. There are hundreds of factors that need to be within .001% on a planet to allow any life. Let's not meddle with this.

As for Terragon's size... why not increase it to the size of North America? Or South America, if that's too big.

If Terragon was the size of North America or South America then the planet would be significantly larger then twice the size of Earth. Both of those places are larger then Canada.

And there is not sufficient knowledge about the conditions for life on a planet, to say that hundreds of factors need to be within .001% variability from Earth's characteristics. In fact, the best candidate for extraterrestrial life is a rocky exoplanet roughly five times the size of Earth. There is no reason why life can't live on a planet only twice as large as Earth, with a similar overall density.

I apologize; what I said was completely false. There are hundreds of universal forces which need to be within .001% accuracy for life to exist anywhere in the universe. Life could certainly exist somewhere in our universe under conditions very foreign to Earth.

But anyways, it would just be easiest to assume ceteris parabis. Why make the globe larger and less dense? That's just confusing. My tiny theistic mind cannot fathom it.

But please could Plot 1 be temperate plains and forest? I did not know the resource map existed when I joined. I learned of it a few days ago. Older nations naturally could influence the qualities of the continent. Why can't a newer nation?

Older nations can't simply alter the landscape and ecology of the continents, nor is it natural that older nations for some reason have this 'privilege'. The map can be changed if enough people ask for it, but if only one person dislikes it, I am not going to change the map for everyone else, if only for simplicity.

Yes as ras said, we couldn't, that climate map has stayed exactly the same as the day Rasvidi posted it. Also, I say we leave it the same size as earth. If the planet was bigger that would mean gravity would be stronger and non of current mathematics that have a planets gravity as a variuble in physics would be the same. And (unless the planet was spinning twice as fast) the days would be twiuce as long, messing up the calender. I say we just say that it's the same size as earth. What's wrong with this planet size anyway?

Hmm, alright. I just thought it would be interesting to have a larger planet, plus there would be more "room" for future regional growth. But I agree, it would be a bit complicated and confusion to both explain to everyone and to roleplay.

Rasvidi, EEE, Grace: I applaud you all for your concern for the physics and mathematics involved with planetary applications, but this is a ridiculous argument/discussion over trivial concepts.

Ras, in particular, I admire your intelligence and thought into this subject. But I do not understand the necessity for planning and investing time and effort into making the map into a planet.

In this situation, a roleplaying situation, the debate is pointless.

It's a map.
Leave the map simply a map.

Well perhaps the citizens of Donkholme are unaware of this, but this map is of a world upon which they reside, and I think they might be interested in the details of their world...

Don't play the "in character" card with me.

This thread should be in the OOC sub-forum anyway.

Ras, I can't stop you from being ridiculous, so go ahead.
Argue about the size and dimensions of a fictional realm.

I was just offering the resolution to this situation so it can be lain to rest because it is pointless to debate this.

Dude, what the hell is up your ass.

Seriously! You've been really pissy lately!

Now, for a tangent from the current argument.

Ras, I can't find a link to a Terragon climate map anywhere. Is there one? If not, I would be very happy to improvise a climate for my lands.

Not right now, there was a global climate map the included Terragon, but I took it down since I changed the world map. Terragon is the same though, and besides that there are oil fields in plot 1. I think you should treat plot 1 as a distant colony from your mainland (which it sort of is, kind of like Alaska and the continental US) and then export the oil there for massive profit. Oil is more valuable then timber, you know. You could hold the region by the balls.

I would prefer fertile land and forests.... I don't see what the big deal is. At my whim you allowed EEE to have mountains. Why not let my annex have vegetation?

What I really want is the ability to grow food. I am not really opposed to oil so much as unwilling to accept an area where agriculture is not an option.

Actually, what if it my annex had forest AND oil, like Russia? Then I get my farmland and you get to have oil there. (But there would be no desert.)

Will that work? Then EEE would be resource-rich and poor- just as I want it.

I have already said multiple times that the area in the northwestern portion of plot 1 has arable land capable of feeding everyone living in the plot. The area around the coast could also be more accurately described as "arid" rather then desert, as there is savannah and forest near the coast.

I will repeat, the area in the northwestern portion of plot 1 has arable land capable of feeding everyone living in the plot.

Just so you don't forget, the area in the northwestern portion of plot 1 has arable land capable of feeding everyone living in the plot.

Once more. The area in the northwestern portion of plot 1 has arable land capable of feeding everyone living in the plot.

...You are as stubborn as me.

There's no way Plot 1's climate could be temperate?

Correction, I am more stubborn then you. When I want to be, at least.

Making plot 1 temperate would not make sense. The entire area is near the equator, as such it is all tropical or sub-tropical. Or desert. So it just wouldn't make sense for it to be temperate.

Hey triple E,

Give up.
Plot 1 is a desert.

Love,
Donk