Thoughts/Suggestions [Now Updated by Oscalantine]

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Do you like my national anthem, Ras? I was inspired by yours. (I also like the USSR anthem.)

That anthem is friggen awesome, I can totally imagine a military parade marching through the streets to this music.

On the subject of anthems (hijacking thread, I know, I know) I've always loved Canada's national anthem. Call me patriotic, but it always makes me swell with pride for this AWESOME FUCKING COUNTRY.

lolCanada.

Sorry for not being around much this weekend. Other things to do. Lots of words to read, I see. Good. Will review tomorrow night.

What can I say? I love the USA natioal anthem! When you're in a stadium when it's performed and then you get a jet flyover and some fire works to go along with it, it's amazing!!!

Check it: Star Spangled Banner
Or this one, I was at this game: World Series 2007: Denver, CO

I love La Marseillaise.

KingIsaac wrote:

Mr. secretary, again, I suggest that you sell military units, so that in war, we really know how many tanks or airplanes or crews do a nation really have not just making numbers of their own.

I think the importance of this one is being shown now. You know, the numbers I made up on how many tanks I have, Rasvidi seems to disapprove because they are big numbers. Though for me they are only fair.

Sorry, Issac, for the same reasons as before I say no.

It is important for people to remember that we are using statistics based on the nation currently represented in Tiberiam. So yes, there's going to be cases like this where someone disapproves because the number is too high. Such is real life. Someone with a GDP of $12.47 might be able to buy a Happy Meal at McDonald's, but not 17,000 fighter jets, while the person you're fighting - with a GDP of $20 trillion and defense budget of many hundreds of millions - is going to demolish you. This is a matter of using your noggin. Don't enter fights where you are clearly outmatched. We do allow for some leeway concerning smaller nations, in terms of military size, there is a limit that we must adhere to, and WILL adhere to. To refrain from doing so would open a larger can of worms. Best to irk one or two people than irk a region.

OK, then IR. How about this. I have calculated our actual defense budgets, with 10/7/2010 numbers. This is with 10% population and a 60% tax for the capitalist nations. (IR, yours in 50%; give the rest of us an iota of a chance.)


EEE: $4,861,842,343 ($4.9T)
NX: $344,995,696,310 ($345T)
Ras: $424,813,952,516 ($425T)
Grace: $5,630,967,880 ($5.6T)
Isaac: $51,930,562,330 ($52T)
IR: $5,288,644,510,818 ($5289T)

Okay, I think everyone has ignored what grace mentioned, and it is biting us back in the ass...
I am noticing expansionistic nations going diabolic on the thread... And while I, too, am guilty of attempted takeover of land, I'm disappointed at such expansionistic nature of "war war more war" ideologies. Where did politics go? Why isn't media beating the crap outta warring states in terms of deaths? How in the world do you spawn 4000 frigates at once and in minutes? I think there needs to ne war... No, REALITY reform... Can someone make that happen?

For the Eastern Union nations at least, we had our military numbers posted in our databases before the war broke out, I personally researched military budgets and sizes to realistically determine the size of my military for my budget (it's actually smaller, since my budget is bigger then any existing nation on Earth, as is most anyone who invests so much in defence. The average nation of Earth invests maybe 1 or 2% of their GDP to defence, including the US).

So for us at least, the 4,000 frigates wouldn't have simply come out of nowhere in a matter of minutes, they would have existed on our databases for some time.

I was just skeptical, that's all. I agree that military was there, but the mobilization was so fast. Everything was rushed in a blur.... especially certain countries, who just popped ships and tossed it into the sea, as if they were warping in units like Protoss from Starcraft.

But I don't really mind the military rushed. I will, however, slowly deploy my units realistically. That is the least I can do, since I cannot calculate the cost of the units like you can. However, what I'm REALLY concerned about is just overwhelming unrealistic colonization. Wait, no RP? No chance for others to intervene? That isn't fair... not to mention it misses the point of RP... you know, ROLEPLAY?!

Sorry I'm being paranoid, but I really doesn't want this to go south... and I want a decent RP with realistic views...

Sorry for doublepost, but I wanted to suggest a potential solution and my suggestion on how to fix this imperialistic solution... without upsetting everyone.

First is to accept that the territories that are will stay... it is unfair that someone will lose territories, although I have to say I draw a line in plot 10. I think that two territories are enough slide as is.

Okay, with that said, any new territories (plot 10 situation included) should go through a procedure of checks. First of all, I think making a new sticky thread in either international or here: "Invasion Thread." You should post certain things... like where you want to take, how, in what mean, and the reason why you need that territory, no matter how shallow.
Once that is done, the invader should wait until a response. If either three people with good reasoning or Isis supports the idea, then the player ROLEPLAYS to get the territory. If anyone doesn't like the claim, then they can post their dislike, and then if they still don't want the invader to get the territory, they can RP to try to stop that.

I think this gives a decent method of taking territories. I mean, there are lands. We can spare more, and I think Ras has more continents at hand. What is bad is that everyone isn't being realistic about it. Plot 10 is just one of the example. I've been reading and realized that everyone was just taking territories because they want to (expansionary countries especially). I think if anyone has a decent reason and RP means of supporting this, they can do it. And I also think that if that is noticed in advance, then everyone can argue as to whether this is acceptable or not, and avoiding any conflict with territory disputes. This can also allow easier and more procedural ability to take territories from someone else. If you want plot 1 but it is already claimed, you petition for it in invasion thread, and see if you can RP for the right. I think that will open up more choices, and more importantly Better RP environment. I think Isis made it clear in his rules "Scripted RP is still interesting." I think it is time that we start planning our invasion than just going to Ras and saying "I want Plot # because I can."

Oscalantine wrote:

Sorry for doublepost, but I wanted to suggest a potential solution and my suggestion on how to fix this imperialistic solution... without upsetting everyone.

First is to accept that the territories that are will stay... it is unfair that someone will lose territories, although I have to say I draw a line in plot 10. I think that two territories are enough slide as is.

Okay, with that said, any new territories (plot 10 situation included) should go through a procedure of checks. First of all, I think making a new sticky thread in either international or here: "Invasion Thread." You should post certain things... like where you want to take, how, in what mean, and the reason why you need that territory, no matter how shallow.
Once that is done, the invader should wait until a response. If either three people with good reasoning or Isis supports the idea, then the player ROLEPLAYS to get the territory. If anyone doesn't like the claim, then they can post their dislike, and then if they still don't want the invader to get the territory, they can RP to try to stop that.

I think this gives a decent method of taking territories. I mean, there are lands. We can spare more, and I think Ras has more continents at hand. What is bad is that everyone isn't being realistic about it. Plot 10 is just one of the example. I've been reading and realized that everyone was just taking territories because they want to (expansionary countries especially). I think if anyone has a decent reason and RP means of supporting this, they can do it. And I also think that if that is noticed in advance, then everyone can argue as to whether this is acceptable or not, and avoiding any conflict with territory disputes. This can also allow easier and more procedural ability to take territories from someone else. If you want plot 1 but it is already claimed, you petition for it in invasion thread, and see if you can RP for the right. I think that will open up more choices, and more importantly Better RP environment. I think Isis made it clear in his rules "Scripted RP is still interesting." I think it is time that we start planning our invasion than just going to Ras and saying "I want Plot # because I can."

I agree. We need RP to be a requirement for expansion. Otherwise we have people saying "I want X and Y and Z. Mine."

Okay, as SoC, I an open to suggestions once more. Bumping thread in case anyone forgot.

Anything goes here... I'll follow Isis's Legacy of getting suggestions =D

May I suggest that when a nation or a group donates money to someone the money will always be added to the NS stats?

For example:

Nation A donated 50 billion to Nation B. Now, Nation B has a project. Nation B have finished role-playing the project without ever stating he spent the 50 billion. Now, it would be automatically in his budget and anytime he wants to use it he can by just stating it is the money given to him by that nation.

Hmmm...

KI, your point is great... it accurately describes what we need for WB to work.

But... Okay, KI, wait until I finish the Commerce Act, and then see if that answers your dilemma. If it doesn't, then let me know and I'll revise the RP rules to fit that into the frame.

However... KI, if you are the head of WB, you will have to keep up with it... hopefully you are ready for that.